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        <p>
A couple weeks ago the OS informed me that the extended battery for my Motion LS800
had issues and should be replaced.  Not really surprising as the battery is 3
or 4 years old and has been heavily used.  
</p>
        <p>
I swapped back to the standard battery and now woe is me – it too tells me that it
needs to be replaced.  This battery is actually even older than the Extended
battery.
</p>
        <p>
This could spell the end for my much loved Motion LS800, which is a real shame. 
Worse than that it is my only tablet that is a slate.  And if I were to replace
it – what would I replace it with?
</p>
        <p>
Motion seem to have focused on vertical markets and as such all the new devices they
are releasing are ruggudised, specialised or both.  Who makes a nice corporate
Slate these days?  
</p>
        <p>
Electrovaya and the <a href="http://shop.5click.com/evstore/directory.cfm?CategoryID=3">Scribbler
SC 4000</a> still seem to be around, but they have never made it downunder AFAIK.
</p>
        <p>
The <a href="http://www.tabletkiosk.com/products/sahara/i400s_pp.asp">Tablet Kiosk
Sahara range</a> is probably the most comprehensive, but there has been little development
in the year or so since I looked at it last.
</p>
        <p>
Fujitsu have had an on again, off again affair with the slate form factor.
</p>
        <p>
Why isn’t anyone building cool new slates these days?  Do you think we’ll see
any new slates hitting the market when Windows 7 ships?
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A couple weeks ago the OS informed me that the extended battery for my Motion LS800
had issues and should be replaced.&amp;#160; Not really surprising as the battery is 3
or 4 years old and has been heavily used.&amp;#160; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
I swapped back to the standard battery and now woe is me – it too tells me that it
needs to be replaced.&amp;#160; This battery is actually even older than the Extended
battery.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This could spell the end for my much loved Motion LS800, which is a real shame.&amp;#160;
Worse than that it is my only tablet that is a slate.&amp;#160; And if I were to replace
it – what would I replace it with?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Motion seem to have focused on vertical markets and as such all the new devices they
are releasing are ruggudised, specialised or both.&amp;#160; Who makes a nice corporate
Slate these days?&amp;#160; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Electrovaya and the &lt;a href="http://shop.5click.com/evstore/directory.cfm?CategoryID=3"&gt;Scribbler
SC 4000&lt;/a&gt; still seem to be around, but they have never made it downunder AFAIK.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The &lt;a href="http://www.tabletkiosk.com/products/sahara/i400s_pp.asp"&gt;Tablet Kiosk
Sahara range&lt;/a&gt; is probably the most comprehensive, but there has been little development
in the year or so since I looked at it last.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Fujitsu have had an on again, off again affair with the slate form factor.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Why isn’t anyone building cool new slates these days?&amp;#160; Do you think we’ll see
any new slates hitting the market when Windows 7 ships?
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      <category>Slate</category>
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        <p>
Following on from my previous post speculating that the netbook wave could lead to
renewed interest<a href="http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/TheTabletsIWanttoSee_13E9A/image_2.png"><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin: 0px 10px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="image" border="0" alt="image" align="right" src="http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/TheTabletsIWanttoSee_13E9A/image_thumb.png" width="146" height="144" /></a> in
slates, there are a couple of discontinued devices I would really like to see revisited. 
</p>
        <p>
HP – word to the wise.  
</p>
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          <li>
Take the TC1100 form factor.</li>
          <li>
Put in an Atom processor.</li>
          <li>
Add Capacitive Touch to the active digitize.</li>
        </ul>
        <p>
Instant success.
</p>
        <p>
Another vendor that – I think – could do something similar is Motion.  You have
the LS800 design, and it was a great design.  But it suffered heat problems. 
Refreshing the LS range with an Atom powered machine would be great.
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;
Following on from my previous post speculating that the netbook wave could lead to
renewed interest&lt;a href="http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/TheTabletsIWanttoSee_13E9A/image_2.png"&gt;&lt;img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin: 0px 10px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="image" border="0" alt="image" align="right" src="http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/TheTabletsIWanttoSee_13E9A/image_thumb.png" width="146" height="144" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in
slates, there are a couple of discontinued devices I would really like to see revisited. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
HP – word to the wise.&amp;#160; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
Take the TC1100 form factor.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
Put in an Atom processor.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
Add Capacitive Touch to the active digitize.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Instant success.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Another vendor that – I think – could do something similar is Motion.&amp;#160; You have
the LS800 design, and it was a great design.&amp;#160; But it suffered heat problems.&amp;#160;
Refreshing the LS range with an Atom powered machine would be great.
&lt;/p&gt;
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        <p>
This morning I was fortunate enough to have a one-on-one chat with <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com">Motion
Computing</a>'s President and CEO, <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/about/bio_eckert.asp">Scott
Eckert</a>.  Thanks for all those who posted comments and questions on <a href="http://www.pringle.net.nz/">my
blog</a> and on <a href="http://www.gottabemobile.com/">GottaBeMobile</a>.  Rather
than pose every question directly (as there were quite a few) I looked for the common
themes in the comments and constructed questions from those.  
</p>
        <p>
I met Scott in the foyer lounge of a Sydney Hotel.  We chatted for a couple of
minutes about Sydney, the appalling weather and work, then got down to business. 
He was pleased that I was taking notes on my LS800 at the meeting and allowed that
he used one himself for two years.  This led nicely into my first question. 
What follows is summary of my discussion with Scott.  This is not a verbatim
transcript as I did not record the conversation.
</p>
        <p>
--
</p>
        <p>
          <em>Of the 12 comments posted on the two blogs (excluding the one about taking Scott
hostage until he included ice cube makers - which we both took as a joke) fully 4
of them mentioned the LS800 directly and two others mentioned a desire for a smaller
tablet.  When the LS range was dropped there were a lot of people who were very
disappointed, myself included.  In my view Motion created and owned the Ultra
Mobile category before the UMPC label even existed.   Given that there is
an apparent market for these devices and that they were, and still are,  a device
that really turned heads and got people interested in Tablets - why was it dropped?</em>
        </p>
        <p>
In response Scott was pleased that I was crediting them with creating a category. 
Their goal was to create a truly enterprise class UMPC and he felt that they had done
well with that.  He also indicated that while the LS800 did enjoy some success
in certain areas that it did not achieve the volumes needed to sustain it as an additional
range.  That said the market for this type of device is still there and Motion
is keeping an eye on it, there is ongoing R&amp;D and as pen, touch and other technologies
mature it is an area that they may re-enter.
</p>
        <p>
          <em>Next I said that to me it seemed that sometimes Motion was focusing more on winning
new customers than looking after their existing customer base.  Two examples
I held up to support this.  The first was the inability to migrate accessories
between ranges - such as the M-series range and the LE-series range.  The second
was the relatively poor upgrade experience that Motion users had going to Vista.</em>  
</p>
        <p>
On the first point Scott pointed out that their ranges are expected to exist for about
3 years before being replaced by a new range.  They try to ensure consistency
in the range, but in order to take advantage of rapidly advancing technology they
won't necessarily have compatibility of peripherals between ranges.  
</p>
        <p>
I suppose that this helps Motion evolve their products more quickly as they are not
constraining a new range with the limitations of the old.  
</p>
        <p>
Scott also pointed out that while accessories for previous ranges are not necessarily
compatible, they are supported and spares are available long after the range stops
shipping, which also helps to mitigate the issue for their enterprise customers.
</p>
        <p>
On the second point Scott acknowledged that the Vista upgrade experience had not been
all that smooth for end users.  They have learned from the feedback and hope
to do it better next time.  He also pointed out that many of their enterprise
accounts are still deploying XP based images on their Motion tablets.
</p>
        <p>
          <em>There seems to be an increasing focus on verticals with the specialized range
expanding and what I consider to be the general use/corporate range shrinking. 
Is this going to be a trend that continues?</em>
        </p>
        <p>
Motion are really highly focused on the verticals.  In fact when I was chatting
to Scott this was very apparent long before I asked this question.  Scott told
me that the way Motion look at it is that they have two primary verticals and three
product ranges.  The vertical markets they are focused on are healthcare and
field automation and the three product ranges can be applied to both of those.
</p>
        <p>
This is not to say that there are not other niches and verticals that don't suit the
Motion tablets.  Indeed some of the successful markets have come as something
of a surprise to Motion.  The LS800 enjoyed quite a bit of success in the aviation
market, and this was largely driven by a software partner who married up his software,
the LS800 and a mounting solution and sold this as a bundle.
</p>
        <p>
          <em>What other verticals interest you?</em>
        </p>
        <p>
Motion's primary focus has always been people who need to use a computer while standing
and walking.  
</p>
        <p>
          <em>One of the questions that came up was around a slate for artists - any plans to
enter that market?</em>
        </p>
        <p>
Scott thought that the artist market was pretty well served today by the likes of
the Wacom Cintiq which is not mobile, but it provides a much higher resolution and
a better digitizer than what is available today in mobile devices.  There may
not be too many mobile artists, but many of the ones that are out there are using
the LE range devices today with success.
</p>
        <p>
          <em>There were a couple of questions around multi-touch.  Motion was leading
the market there - what happened?</em>
        </p>
        <p>
The technology was very new and Motion just struggled to get it commercialized. 
Touch, and the combination of touch and an active digitizer, is and will continue
to be an important technology for future ranges.
</p>
        <p>
(reading between the lines I take it there won't be one in the LE range, though I
could be wrong.)
</p>
        <p>
Motion also feels that for touch to really succeed it is critical that the applications
are designed for and work well with touch.  This led nicely to my next question.
</p>
        <p>
          <em>Again - from the questions posted is there any thought of entering the software
market to help bring that about?</em>
        </p>
        <p>
The short answer is that Motion is not looking to become a software house.  However
Motion are already active in that space and they currently work with about 150 software
partners in the vertical markets to help them write better applications.  It
is better for Motion to have more partners and to work with them rather than compete
against them.
</p>
        <p>
This is where Scott talked about the aviation example and how a partner created a
market for the LS800 and did really well in it.  Naturally Motion would like
to find more partners like that, so for those of you reading this that write software
- keep that in mind!
</p>
        <p>
          <em>There are some general issues that most mobile users face, such as battery life
and heat.  There are also some technologies that seem to be taking a long time
to come to market, such as hybrid drives or that still carry a significant premium
like solid state drives.  What do you see as the most important technologies
coming.</em>
        </p>
        <p>
Battery technology is really a chemical process, which means that adding capacity
to batteries is not easy.  Motion have found it more fruitful to reduce the power
consumption of the device and this is where they are investing.  This means both
engineering better, more efficient hardware, adding technologies such as LED backlit
displays and working with application developers to make the applications more efficient.
</p>
        <p>
--
</p>
        <p>
Some closing thoughts from me.  Scott is a genuinely nice guy and I really enjoyed
my chat with him.  He is astute, passionate about his products and focused on
the vertical markets and the Motion vision.  Motion are not merely aware of the
bloggers, readers and commentors that make up the blogosphere.  They are not
just listening to the conversations.  They are actively reaching out and engaging
and I think that is a really good thing.  Thanks to Scott for taking the time
to talk to me.
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      <title>An interesting chat with Scott Eckert of Motion Computing</title>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;
This morning I was fortunate enough to have a one-on-one chat with &lt;a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com"&gt;Motion
Computing&lt;/a&gt;'s President and CEO, &lt;a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/about/bio_eckert.asp"&gt;Scott
Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Thanks for all those who posted comments and questions on &lt;a href="http://www.pringle.net.nz/"&gt;my
blog&lt;/a&gt; and on &lt;a href="http://www.gottabemobile.com/"&gt;GottaBeMobile&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Rather
than pose every question directly (as there were quite a few) I looked for the common
themes in the comments and constructed questions from those.&amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
I met Scott in the foyer lounge of a Sydney Hotel.&amp;nbsp; We chatted for a couple of
minutes about Sydney, the appalling weather and work, then got down to business.&amp;nbsp;
He was pleased that I was taking notes on my LS800 at the meeting and allowed that
he used one himself for two years.&amp;nbsp; This led nicely into my first question.&amp;nbsp;
What follows is summary of my discussion with Scott.&amp;nbsp; This is not a verbatim
transcript as I did not record the conversation.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
--
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Of the 12 comments posted on the two blogs (excluding the one about taking Scott
hostage until he included ice cube makers - which we both took as a joke) fully 4
of them mentioned the LS800 directly and two others mentioned a desire for a smaller
tablet.&amp;nbsp; When the LS range was dropped there were a lot of people who were very
disappointed, myself included.&amp;nbsp; In my view Motion created and owned the Ultra
Mobile category before the UMPC label even existed.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Given that there is
an apparent market for these devices and that they were, and still are,&amp;nbsp; a device
that really turned heads and got people interested in Tablets - why was it dropped?&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In response Scott was pleased that I was crediting them with creating a category.&amp;nbsp;
Their goal was to create a truly enterprise class UMPC and he felt that they had done
well with that.&amp;nbsp; He also indicated that while the LS800 did enjoy some success
in certain areas that it did not achieve the volumes needed to sustain it as an additional
range.&amp;nbsp; That said the market for this type of device is still there and Motion
is keeping an eye on it, there is ongoing R&amp;amp;D and as pen, touch and other technologies
mature it is an area that they may re-enter.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Next I said that to me it seemed that sometimes Motion was focusing more on winning
new customers than looking after their existing customer base.&amp;nbsp; Two examples
I held up to support this.&amp;nbsp; The first was the inability to migrate accessories
between ranges - such as the M-series range and the LE-series range.&amp;nbsp; The second
was the relatively poor upgrade experience that Motion users had going to Vista.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On the first point Scott pointed out that their ranges are expected to exist for about
3 years before being replaced by a new range.&amp;nbsp; They try to ensure consistency
in the range, but in order to take advantage of rapidly advancing technology they
won't necessarily have compatibility of peripherals between ranges.&amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
I suppose that this helps Motion evolve their products more quickly as they are not
constraining a new range with the limitations of the old.&amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Scott also pointed out that while accessories for previous ranges are not necessarily
compatible, they are supported and spares are available long after the range stops
shipping, which also helps to mitigate the issue for their enterprise customers.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On the second point Scott acknowledged that the Vista upgrade experience had not been
all that smooth for end users.&amp;nbsp; They have learned from the feedback and hope
to do it better next time.&amp;nbsp; He also pointed out that many of their enterprise
accounts are still deploying XP based images on their Motion tablets.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;There seems to be an increasing focus on verticals with the specialized range
expanding and what I consider to be the general use/corporate range shrinking.&amp;nbsp;
Is this going to be a trend that continues?&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Motion are really highly focused on the verticals.&amp;nbsp; In fact when I was chatting
to Scott this was very apparent long before I asked this question.&amp;nbsp; Scott told
me that the way Motion look at it is that they have two primary verticals and three
product ranges.&amp;nbsp; The vertical markets they are focused on are healthcare and
field automation and the three product ranges can be applied to both of those.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is not to say that there are not other niches and verticals that don't suit the
Motion tablets.&amp;nbsp; Indeed some of the successful markets have come as something
of a surprise to Motion.&amp;nbsp; The LS800 enjoyed quite a bit of success in the aviation
market, and this was largely driven by a software partner who married up his software,
the LS800 and a mounting solution and sold this as a bundle.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;What other verticals interest you?&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Motion's primary focus has always been people who need to use a computer while standing
and walking.&amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;One of the questions that came up was around a slate for artists - any plans to
enter that market?&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Scott thought that the artist market was pretty well served today by the likes of
the Wacom Cintiq which is not mobile, but it provides a much higher resolution and
a better digitizer than what is available today in mobile devices.&amp;nbsp; There may
not be too many mobile artists, but many of the ones that are out there are using
the LE range devices today with success.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;There were a couple of questions around multi-touch.&amp;nbsp; Motion was leading
the market there - what happened?&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The technology was very new and Motion just struggled to get it commercialized.&amp;nbsp;
Touch, and the combination of touch and an active digitizer, is and will continue
to be an important technology for future ranges.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
(reading between the lines I take it there won't be one in the LE range, though I
could be wrong.)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Motion also feels that for touch to really succeed it is critical that the applications
are designed for and work well with touch.&amp;nbsp; This led nicely to my next question.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Again - from the questions posted is there any thought of entering the software
market to help bring that about?&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The short answer is that Motion is not looking to become a software house.&amp;nbsp; However
Motion are already active in that space and they currently work with about 150 software
partners in the vertical markets to help them write better applications.&amp;nbsp; It
is better for Motion to have more partners and to work with them rather than compete
against them.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is where Scott talked about the aviation example and how a partner created a
market for the LS800 and did really well in it.&amp;nbsp; Naturally Motion would like
to find more partners like that, so for those of you reading this that write software
- keep that in mind!
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;There are some general issues that most mobile users face, such as battery life
and heat.&amp;nbsp; There are also some technologies that seem to be taking a long time
to come to market, such as hybrid drives or that still carry a significant premium
like solid state drives.&amp;nbsp; What do you see as the most important technologies
coming.&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Battery technology is really a chemical process, which means that adding capacity
to batteries is not easy.&amp;nbsp; Motion have found it more fruitful to reduce the power
consumption of the device and this is where they are investing.&amp;nbsp; This means both
engineering better, more efficient hardware, adding technologies such as LED backlit
displays and working with application developers to make the applications more efficient.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
--
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Some closing thoughts from me.&amp;nbsp; Scott is a genuinely nice guy and I really enjoyed
my chat with him.&amp;nbsp; He is astute, passionate about his products and focused on
the vertical markets and the Motion vision.&amp;nbsp; Motion are not merely aware of the
bloggers, readers and commentors that make up the blogosphere.&amp;nbsp; They are not
just listening to the conversations.&amp;nbsp; They are actively reaching out and engaging
and I think that is a really good thing.&amp;nbsp; Thanks to Scott for taking the time
to talk to me.
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        <p>
The last couple of weeks have been pretty full on.  I never made it bat to CeBit
after my <a href="http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,5c6a31e8-80c7-4916-8968-847f0eabc2d2.aspx">previous
post</a> as a project I am working on ran into some issues and that demanded my full
attention.
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        <p>
However, while I was there I talked with the guys from <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com">Motion
Computing</a> (who had a great stand at CeBit, BTW) and on Friday I got a call from
the country manager here in Australia.  He tells me that <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/about/bio_eckert.asp">Scott
Eckert</a>, the CEO of Motion Computing, is going to be in Sydney next week and asked
if I would be keen to meet and talk to him.  Heck yeah!
</p>
        <p>
Now it is no secret that I have long been a slate fan and that I've had a couple of
Motion slates in my time.  My Motion LS800 is still one of my favourite devices
and I've always wondered why there was never another in the LS line...  I've
got plenty to things to talk to Scott about.  But then I'm sure some of you do
as well.  So if you do have any questions, leave a comment here and I'll see
what I can do.  I'm meeting Scott on Wednesday - Sydney time.
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      <title>Work has been busy</title>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;
The last couple of weeks have been pretty full on.&amp;#160; I never made it bat to CeBit
after my &lt;a href="http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,5c6a31e8-80c7-4916-8968-847f0eabc2d2.aspx"&gt;previous
post&lt;/a&gt; as a project I am working on ran into some issues and that demanded my full
attention.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
However, while I was there I talked with the guys from &lt;a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com"&gt;Motion
Computing&lt;/a&gt; (who had a great stand at CeBit, BTW) and on Friday I got a call from
the country manager here in Australia.&amp;#160; He tells me that &lt;a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/about/bio_eckert.asp"&gt;Scott
Eckert&lt;/a&gt;, the CEO of Motion Computing, is going to be in Sydney next week and asked
if I would be keen to meet and talk to him.&amp;#160; Heck yeah!
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Now it is no secret that I have long been a slate fan and that I've had a couple of
Motion slates in my time.&amp;#160; My Motion LS800 is still one of my favourite devices
and I've always wondered why there was never another in the LS line...&amp;#160; I've
got plenty to things to talk to Scott about.&amp;#160; But then I'm sure some of you do
as well.&amp;#160; So if you do have any questions, leave a comment here and I'll see
what I can do.&amp;#160; I'm meeting Scott on Wednesday - Sydney time.
&lt;/p&gt;
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I have been living with the fact that SD Card reader on the LS800 does not work under
Vista since I installed Vista last year.  However I recently had a conversation
with a Motion Computing employee in which he indicated that he thought that issue
had been solved.
</p>
        <p>
Full of hope I rushed off to check <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/kb/article.aspx?id=10132">the
knowledge base article on the Motion site</a> that documented the issue to see if
it had been updated...
</p>
        <blockquote>
          <p>
There is no SD card reader driver available for Windows Vista on the LS800/LE1600
at the time of this writing (1/29/2007).  Motion is working to provide this driver
as soon as possible.  This knowledge base article will be updated at the time
of the driver update.
</p>
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        <p>
Hmmm, still no joy.  However - while I was on the site I thought that I might
as well see if there were any driver updates available.  Why OEMs don't put an
RSS feed on their drivers page is beyond me.
</p>
        <p>
While poking around I realise that there have been two BIOS revisions released since
my version.  I'm was running A09 and A14 and A15 are on the site.  What
happened to A10-A13 I wonder?
</p>
        <p>
Nevermind.  I check the release notes for the two new BIOS releases.  Low
an behold the <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/drivers/LS800/LS800_BIOS_A14_RN.htm">Release
Notes for A14</a> state:
</p>
        <blockquote>
          <p>
            <b>What's New In This Release</b>
          </p>
          <p>
· Support for Intel 1.1GHz processor
</p>
          <p>
· Support for SD card reader in Vista
</p>
        </blockquote>
        <p>
I check the <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/drivers/LS800/LS800_BIOS_A15_RN.htm">release
notes for A15</a> as well, nothing major in that one except one fix.  However
BIOSes are cumulative, so A15 includes everything A14 had.  To avoid having to
do two upgrades I flash the BIOS with the A15 version.
</p>
        <p>
After a reboot I can see that the SDA Host Controller is listed in Device Manager
without the little yellow exclaimation point it had before!
</p>
        <p>
Full of anticipation I break out a SD card and slot it in.  **Poof**  Bluescreen
of death.  Interesting.  I reboot and try it again.  **Poof** again. 
Well at least the fault is repeatable...
</p>
        <p>
Time to break out the Windows Debugging Tools to analyse the crash dump.  Not
for the faint of heart.
</p>
        <p>
After repeating this a few times and analysing three dumps I see the debugger pointing
to three different drivers. None of which are the SD Card driver.  Given the
highly repeatable nature of the fault I think it is clear that it is related to the
SD Card Driver, so my guess is that the SD Card driver is corrupting bits of memory,
which causes an exception when some innocent driver wanders along and falls into the
whole.  Believe it or not - this is progress.
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I have been living with the fact that SD Card reader on the LS800 does not work under
Vista since I installed Vista last year.&amp;#160; However I recently had a conversation
with a Motion Computing employee in which he indicated that he thought that issue
had been solved.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Full of hope I rushed off to check &lt;a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/kb/article.aspx?id=10132"&gt;the
knowledge base article on the Motion site&lt;/a&gt; that documented the issue to see if
it had been updated...
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
There is no SD card reader driver available for Windows Vista on the LS800/LE1600
at the time of this writing (1/29/2007).&amp;#160; Motion is working to provide this driver
as soon as possible.&amp;#160; This knowledge base article will be updated at the time
of the driver update.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
Hmmm, still no joy.&amp;#160; However - while I was on the site I thought that I might
as well see if there were any driver updates available.&amp;#160; Why OEMs don't put an
RSS feed on their drivers page is beyond me.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
While poking around I realise that there have been two BIOS revisions released since
my version.&amp;#160; I'm was running A09 and A14 and A15 are on the site.&amp;#160; What
happened to A10-A13 I wonder?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Nevermind.&amp;#160; I check the release notes for the two new BIOS releases.&amp;#160; Low
an behold the &lt;a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/drivers/LS800/LS800_BIOS_A14_RN.htm"&gt;Release
Notes for A14&lt;/a&gt; state:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;b&gt;What's New In This Release&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;#183; Support for Intel 1.1GHz processor
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;#183; Support for SD card reader in Vista
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;
I check the &lt;a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/drivers/LS800/LS800_BIOS_A15_RN.htm"&gt;release
notes for A15&lt;/a&gt; as well, nothing major in that one except one fix.&amp;#160; However
BIOSes are cumulative, so A15 includes everything A14 had.&amp;#160; To avoid having to
do two upgrades I flash the BIOS with the A15 version.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
After a reboot I can see that the SDA Host Controller is listed in Device Manager
without the little yellow exclaimation point it had before!
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Full of anticipation I break out a SD card and slot it in.&amp;#160; **Poof**&amp;#160; Bluescreen
of death.&amp;#160; Interesting.&amp;#160; I reboot and try it again.&amp;#160; **Poof** again.&amp;#160;
Well at least the fault is repeatable...
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Time to break out the Windows Debugging Tools to analyse the crash dump.&amp;#160; Not
for the faint of heart.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
After repeating this a few times and analysing three dumps I see the debugger pointing
to three different drivers. None of which are the SD Card driver.&amp;#160; Given the
highly repeatable nature of the fault I think it is clear that it is related to the
SD Card Driver, so my guess is that the SD Card driver is corrupting bits of memory,
which causes an exception when some innocent driver wanders along and falls into the
whole.&amp;#160; Believe it or not - this is progress.
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